About musks…

Seeburg said:

I think this is a very nice message, but I don't understand the context. Thanks for the info that no musk is needed.

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Just something interesting that surprised me. I would share more but TOS and all that. The scent is amber woody and from a major brand.
I think we too often think about musks in a way like "should I use 10% or 15%" and "should I use Galaxolide or Ethylene Brassylate or maybe both" but while most formulas benefit from some musks, it is good to be reminded that they are not different from other materials.

musks in perfumery have been used as fixatives, to smooth a composition, blending, sensual/animalic effects, mostly. now at days, white musks have arrived which have a significantly different scent profile than animalic musks. i use different musks for different type of compositions. knowing how each smell neat and diluted. what type of scent is providing. understanding in what type of fragrance familiy each musk could work best. i found it best to start with very simple mini formulas in different categories and start adding the musk and evaluating what its doing in the formula. make little batches without the musk and with the musk. the strenght and impact of each will depend. the right musk can be very sensual, if done right that could provide a very likeable outcome to your fragrance and to most of people.

Seeburg said:

well okay, hand on heart, what exactly do you do with the productions that went wrong? Simple question.

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Aa I have mentioned many times here, living in sunny Southern California, I fragrance the dry wooden fence around the backyard. The sun evaporates the scents, it gets 40C /105F most often here during the summer . I also pay attention to possible rains ahead in the weather forecast, so that the perfume is not on the fence for the week before any rain.

I use musks to dilute the formula and also smooth it out. I also use other materials for this purpose if I don't want the perfume to have musk. Usually a little bit of musk is in everything though. I think I have 3 formulas with no musk in them.

Maybe off topic now but iirc I read somewhere that Galaxolide is not considered "as biodegradable" as other musks because it takes over 60 days to break down. And yeah I am a bit curious, if your shower gel or laundry detergent has galaxolide in it, isn't it being constantly dumped down the drain. I do agree that it is a bad habit to dump tests down the drain. I have a box labeled "failures and random mats" which is filled with years worth of tests and materials I don't use that I have yet to decide how or when to dispose of.

pavomi said:

Do NOT dump any aroma chemical or other perfumery material into the sink! And please don’t come up with the argument “it’s only a few drops”… it simply does not belong there, out of many reasons.

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Here are types of commercial products that commonly contain white musks

1. **Perfumes and Eau de Toilettes** - Many fragrances use white musks for their lasting scent.
2. **Body Lotions and Creams** - Often infused with white musks for a long-lasting fragrance on the skin.
3. **Shampoos and Conditioners** - These hair care products frequently use white musks to leave a pleasant scent in the hair.
4. **Body Washes and Shower Gels** - White musks are added to create a lingering, clean fragrance.
5. **Deodorants and Antiperspirants** - Many formulations include white musks for their fresh and enduring scent.
6. **Hand and Body Soaps** - Infused with white musks to provide a fragrant washing experience.
7. **Room Sprays and Air Fresheners** - White musks are commonly used to create a pleasant and lasting scent in living spaces.
8. **Candles and Scented Oils** - These home fragrance products often include white musks for their subtle and appealing aroma.
9. **Laundry Detergents and Fabric Softeners** - Use white musks to leave clothes smelling fresh and clean.
10. **Hair Sprays and Styling Products** - Often contain white musks to ensure the hair maintains a fresh scent throughout the day.
11. **Bath Salts and Bath Bombs** - These bath products are infused with white musks to enhance the bathing experience with a lasting fragrance.
12. **Hand Creams and Cuticle Oils** - Include white musks to provide a subtle, pleasant scent on the hands.
13. **Body Mists and Sprays** - Use white musks for a light, refreshing fragrance that can be reapplied throughout the day.
14. **Facial Toners and Moisturizers** - Some skincare products incorporate white musks for a delicate, soothing scent.
15. **Aftershaves and Beard Oils** - Include white musks to provide a clean, fresh scent post-shave or grooming.
16. **Sunscreens and After-Sun Lotions** - Infused with white musks to leave the skin smelling pleasant after sun exposure.
17. **Hand Sanitizers** - Enhanced with white musks to mask the scent of alcohol and leave hands smelling fresh.
18. **Pillow Sprays and Linen Sprays** - Utilize white musks to impart a calming, clean scent to bedding and linens.
19. **Car Fresheners** - White musks are used to keep the car interior smelling fresh and pleasant.

These products leverage the clean, enduring scent of white musks like Galaxolide to enhance their fragrance profiles

So be sure to never wash the dishes, take a shower, or use shampoo or conditioner or seal, liquid or solid, don’t use a washing machine, or dish washer, don’t use makeup or frantic softeners, or hand or face cream

Because all of these things have white musks, all of which end up in the oceans and rivers

My point is that white musks are nearly impossible to avoid

But, if you want to avoid them…by all means,

use scent less shampoo, conditioner, body soaps, scent less makeup, body spray, scent less detergents, fabric softeners etc

And even if you do the above,
We are left with other chemicals that make up the various components of soaps and softeners and powders etc etc which in themselves might be more toxic to the environment than white musks are

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When we start challenging ourselves with really trying to understand the complexity of an argument - it’s very often difficult to parse good from bad

I wonder what the prompt was to get this list.

Edhelien said:

I wonder what the prompt was to get this list.

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Mind blowing

Another way to smell musks that I never tried, suggested by Sam Mercer on his YT channel, was to put a piece of blotter (soaked with the musk) in some tiny odorless plastic contatiner , and smelling it from there after it fills the contained air.

Tharrys78 said:

Another way to smell musks that I never tried, suggested by Sam Mercer on his YT channel, was to put a piece of blotter (soaked with the musk) in some tiny odorless plastic contatiner , and smelling it from there after it fills the contained air.

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It looks like a very good idea. Could be usefull for other materials (i am having a hard time smelling Evernyl)

MelegPerfumes said:

be more toxic to the environment than white musks are

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In case of Galaxolide and Tonalide, powerful xeno-steroids that bind the nuclear androgen receptor, any whataboutery or relativism is not helpful

This got really off topic in a hurry.